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« on: Sep 22nd, 2004, 10:14am »
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A creationist book…like a reply file to evolutionists… to tell the truth a qualified one, what do you think about the replies to "transitional fossils" section?  http://www.harunyahya.com/refuted1.php
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« Reply #1 on: Sep 22nd, 2004, 10:40am »
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 Hello  ,  jasonparker
 
 
  Perhaps  the answer  is  in  places  like  these  :
 
http://www.edge.org/
 
 
 http://www.nature.com/nature/
 
 
http://www.simonyi.ox.ac.uk/dawkins/WorldOfDawkins-archive/index.shtml
 
 etc  etc  etc  
 
 
 
or  even  here  :
 
 
http://www.csicop.org/si/
 
 
 
   Regards  ,
 
    mozar
 
 
 
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« Reply #2 on: Sep 22nd, 2004, 11:18am »
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If you read the guy's conclusion it's clear that this is just is straight creationism which by definition means no engagement with rational debate. Lots of impressive sounding references quoted but reading the sweeping conclusions its just your typical standard pseudoscience, at best. It's a waste of time arguing with fanatics because their minds are closed, let's use the time to look at the natural world with enquiring minds (like Darwin, although of course he didn't have all the answers) and actually gain useful knowledge in the process as opposed to insisting that all useful knowledge was written in some ancient tracts and can never be superseded. That's not to say of course that there isn't a great deal of wisdom and beauty in ancient tracts. Wink
 
Of course evolutionists don't have all the answers, but then neither do quantum theory and relativity explain everything in physics. Science is a process of enquiry, not a final answer, and scientific knowledge evolves Grin (unlike blind faith)
 
On a specific note, I have no expertise whatsoever in paleontology but two points I was thinking about -  
 
1) There clearly are examples of transitional forms in the fossil record - just take us lot hom sap. - plenty of hominid fossils already discovered closely resembling us and extremely plausibly on an evolutionary pathway to hom sap - do you hear anyone (apart from creationists) shouting from the rooftops that the hominid fossil record blows evolution out of the water? I don't.
 
2) We've only been investigating the fossil record systematically for about 200 years - who's to say how much more will be discovered after perhaps another 2000 years of rigorous painstaking enquiry with ever improving techniques?
 
Just my 2 cents of course  Grin
 
 
 
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« Reply #3 on: Sep 22nd, 2004, 11:22am »
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on Sep 22nd, 2004, 11:18am, doubledown wrote:

 
Just my 2 cents of course  Grin
 
 
 

 
 
   Very  well  spent  Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: Oct 11th, 2004, 7:48am »
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Hi, scientific facts that refute the theory of evolution in all fields and to inform people about the ulterior, underlying, and real purpose of this so-called "science", which is in fact a fraud. It should be pointed out that evolutionists have no answer to give to the book you are now reading. http://www.harunyahya.com/books/darwinism/newresearch/newresearch1.php
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« Reply #5 on: Oct 11th, 2004, 8:09am »
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This is not the site for you to promote your $800 pseudoscience books. I have removed your account since your intention when registering here was clearly to use the account for spamming.
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« Reply #6 on: Oct 11th, 2004, 9:17am »
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 Thanks  God  ,  Magnus  .
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« Reply #7 on: Oct 11th, 2004, 4:59pm »
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LOL! Very droll, Mozar!! Wink Grin
 
We've had several threads that contain info like this in the past few weeks. My own opinion is that the info is worthy of examination, but the hard-sell aspect of some proponents (on both sides of this argument, and in all faiths) is un-necessary. People of strong belief have seldom been won by contrary arguments placed by the 'opposite side'. On the other hand, I have known several people who have had life-changing experiences that then affected their belief...
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« Reply #8 on: Oct 12th, 2004, 10:15am »
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ROTFLMAOWTIME!  Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #9 on: Oct 12th, 2004, 12:19pm »
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Hey DC!
 
That one gets longer every time - what you puttin' after 'my ass off'??  Grin
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« Reply #10 on: Oct 12th, 2004, 12:25pm »
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With tears in my eyes. Happy laughing tears.
 
gtihmhhooichgbd
 
good thing I had my hockey helmet on or I could have got brain damage   Grin
 
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« Reply #11 on: Oct 17th, 2004, 11:23am »
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That would have to be hyphenated the...
 
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« Reply #12 on: Nov 9th, 2004, 11:04am »
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here's a nice example of a recent discovery of an intermediate fossil form ...  Wink
 
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996607
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on Nov 9th, 2004, 11:04am, doubledown wrote:
here's a nice example of a recent discovery of an intermediate fossil form ...  Wink
 
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996607

 
 
  And  here  is  another  one    :
 
 
http://www.harunyahya.com/
 
 
 
   
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« Reply #14 on: Apr 18th, 2006, 8:38am »
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Well here's another "missing link" turning up ... guess this thread was believed to be extinct ... but it isn't quite fossilised yet  Wink
 
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19025464.600-first-fossil-of-fish- that-crawled-onto-land-discovered.html
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