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« on: Feb 26th, 2003, 10:19pm »		 Quote Quote  Modify Modify
Hey,  
Audio stuff, some of these people spend more on cables and interconnects than I spent on my home theatre system and computer combined.
 
http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/tweaks/bbs.html
 
I'd buy some of this to try. I wonder if you could make baseball caps out of it.  
 
http://positive-feedback.com/Issue5/cjdiaries.htm
 
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« Reply #1 on: Feb 26th, 2003, 11:25pm »		 Quote Quote  Modify Modify
  Hello  ,  DC
 
     http://www.stereophile.com/
 
  I think  you  already know the magazine  above but if not you must know .
   I've  seen  interconects around $1.500 a meter  and  also cables .
   What about  power amplifier (tube , monoblocs , with less than 10 watts RMS each )  around $230.000 pair ?
   Now  imagine all that configuration  to play  bad music .
 
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« Reply #2 on: Feb 27th, 2003, 2:24am »		 Quote Quote  Modify Modify
Hey,
You hit the nail on the head, but how much of the particular music you enjoy can you hear with your system. You ain't gonna get great SPL out of 10 W even if you're a Klipsch fan like myself. I have a 1951 (that's what I was told) Sparton TV with stereo amplifier record player that I could use to drive my speakers and I have 2 identical Northern Electric Art Deco style bakelite radios that would also do the trick. I sure couldn't afford those $230,000 babies. Thanks for the link.
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« Reply #3 on: Feb 27th, 2003, 2:52am »		 Quote Quote  Modify Modify
Hey,  
I should add so everyone doesn't think I'm totally deaf or braindead, I don't always stand directly in front of the speakers to listen when it's pegging my poor old Radio Shack SPL meter.  Grin .
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« Reply #4 on: Feb 27th, 2003, 9:33am »		 Quote Quote  Modify Modify
For $230,000 you could probably have the band actually come and play in your living room on a weekly basis. Surely you can’t better… the real thing??  Wink
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« Reply #5 on: Feb 27th, 2003, 3:15pm »		 Quote Quote  Modify Modify
 Hello  ,  DC  and  ReGen
 
  Take a look at this brazilian amplifier (monobloc , single-ended tube ) :
 
      http://www.audiopax.com
 
   I have listened  to an AudioPax amplifier with around 10/12 watts if I remember well  using  also their speakers : fantastic .
  The most musical sound I've heard  until today .
   DC ,if  you  use speakers with high sensitivity  it is fine really , no problem .There are  Klipsch with 104 Db of sensitivity  , more than enough with a SET amplifier with , say , 7 watts per channel at 8 ohms .
   If  you  read  the articles from Ken Kessler in the british magazine "HI-FI NEWS"  you would see the level of esoterism  stereo equipment can reach , besides  he writes very well .( he likes italian's amplifiers )  
   ReGen  , how to solve the problem with the dead musicians ? From  Zappa  to  Kempff and Ellington .
   But  , to spent that money on two monoblocs , you 'll have to spent more with : a pre-amplifier , a cd transport and a converter ( if you don't use Lps )  and  interconects and cables , the final price could reach around $350.000/$400.000 easy .And I did not talk about the necessary , for this level of equipment , acoustic treatment .
  So  , there is the money factor and , after that , also the wife  factor ( women love  Bose's speakers  , as  we  know ).
 
  Simple solution is remembering that   the most important is always  the music .
 
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« Reply #6 on: Feb 27th, 2003, 5:21pm »		 Quote Quote  Modify Modify
Hey,
Yeah you could probably listen to a band or DJ in your living room for the rest of your life for that kind of cash. The
local polka kings would be a blast. When all added up, I'd probably guess that building and designing the dedicated listening room to listen to such a fine bunch of electronics would run you in the neighbour hood of $200.000 easy. I'm using a Systemdek table with Grace tone arm and Empire cartridge and needle. From what I remember Systemdec is Scottish. Sounds like you really know your stuff, mozar. I sold audio/video equipment in the late 70"s, mid 80's and again in the mid 90's. I should have taken electronics in school. Love the smell of new electronics being burnt in. When I first fired up this computer it made me horny. 10 W using KHorns or the like should give you 111 db peaks. Rule> for every 3 db increase you need a doubling of power. Probably plenty for most people. I'm using Chorus II's rated at 101 db. Most of my listening is done with less than 1 W with the amp still operating in class A mode. When I want to totally fill up the house with sound I can turn my Bryston 4 B NRB right up to clipping along with the two powered SoundDynamic 15" subs it really kicks. The best sound it reproduces is when I use my output attentuater on my Denon DCD 3000 for volume control> left and right outputs split, into the amp and into the subs so that they also operate in stereo. I'm using 9 guage wire to the speaks.This setup gives the most realism without muddying the sound and as long as I don't clip the amp will play extremely loud all day and night without costing me any money replacing drivers. Bulletproof I guess you can say. I can't even get my amp to clip before burning something when I use the whole 5.1 setup. I'm guessing the processer is adding too much distortion. It's fun to play with though, cool effects and awesome dynamics for movies. The whole setup dominates the living room though, not much "wife appeal".  Wink Cool Grin  
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« Reply #7 on: Feb 27th, 2003, 7:59pm »		 Quote Quote  Modify Modify
 DC  ,  here  I  am  with  Monster cables , interconects  and  filter with an integrated amplifier and a cd-player Marantz (model 63) and  the speakers are Mirage bi-wired towers (490i). But I have to  use  now a  Sony dvd and a home-theater amplifier JVC , because  I can't find repair to Marantz - can you believe ?
  The prices  here  are  now inaceptable ( US$ = 3.6 our money ) and a plus over that price. Here , a very basic  integrated amplifier , say a 50 watts 8 ohms class AB  , is not less than US$1.500  ,ridiculous indeed.  
   The  AudioPax  is  for  the  future . They are made here  but , in this case  ... factor wife .If  you  have  a   chance  try  Audiopax they are excellent  and  really a bargain for SETs  and  they  should  work with your speakers .
 
  DC , shame on me . In the past I sold all my lps and equipment. I remember I liked needles from Ortophon  or  Shure elipticals ( V-15 ?) . No cd is so musical as a Lp with the right tone-arm ,needle and plate , isn't it ?
  But  I  don't  know  much  about  stereo , just enough to avoid the Boses  and  B&Os  of life .
   
  So  you  are  with  Bryston + Chorus + 2 (two) 15" subs .
  You  are  very well  "prepared" for any kind of music   .    
   Your  neighbour   may love   you .
 
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« Reply #8 on: Feb 28th, 2003, 3:26pm »		 Quote Quote  Modify Modify
Hey, Hi mozar, I phoned some stores to find out about Marantz. I was told Lenbrook Industries is the rep for Canada.
Have you tried ordering parts through Marantz support? My Bryston started blowing fuses in one of the channels so I sent it to them and they had it back to me in 3 days, 20 year warranty whether you're the origional owner or not. One of my sub drivers took a year to get, I'm sure it was because their rep didn't like the store where I purchased them anymore. I phoned and complained to them finally and it was straightened out. Klipsch on the other hand were great. I phoned them in the US and after telling him I blew a tweeter and would like to buy a new voice coil he was happy to help me, even phoned me back the next day with the name of who to talk to at there Canadian distributor. He was amused that I didn't use the line "I don't know what happened,it was only on quarter volume" like I've also heard a million times from customers blowing there speaks. Sorry to hear you got rid of your table. I always wanted to try out the Shure v15. I use an old Garrard to listen to 78 records as well as the Systemdek only has 33 & 45 speed. You have to change the belt manually on the pulley for each speed as well. It is amazing that people still use tubes and KHorns that were designed over 50 years ago and have systems that are more musical  than a lot of this new stuff. Amps sounding tube like is a good feature. The debate still continues over what's better CD or analog turntable. I can't remember hearing the 490i's but I've heard the Mirage bi-polar speaks before. I was impressed, and Canadian built too. Let me know if I can help if you need parts, maybe up here it would be easier to find them.
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« Reply #9 on: Feb 28th, 2003, 3:43pm »		 Quote Quote  Modify Modify
Hey, Mozar, I forgot to mention that Monster cable was the first good quality cable I bought. When I purchased my Klipsch and after listening to them for a few months with a Rotel reciever I decided to freshen them up. I cut a foot off each end because you could see they were burned and slightly oxidized. I could have kicked myself for doing that, the whole soundstage changed and not necessarily for the better. Sounds that appeared to be coming 50 feet behind the speaker were now more in your face, treble was more pronounced but edgier. I ended up lending them to a friend but never got them back. Some people laugh at the fact that good cables and interconnect can and do make a big difference. I guess they either can't hear it or have never tried it.
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« Reply #10 on: Feb 28th, 2003, 3:48pm »		 Quote Quote  Modify Modify
 Thank  you  for  your  help  ,  DC .But  I  am  in "conversation" with a friend  that is interested in the Marantz and  does understand eletronics.
  Marantz in my country was supported by Philips now it supported by a local distributor.Never more I would buy anything from Marantz or Philips . They finish supporting Marantz here without any satisfaction to the customers .  
   Mirage  are  very decent indeed . My  model  has around 5 years  and works fine with jazz (vocal or instrumentals) and chamber music  but it has some limitations regarding symphonies , sensitivity is 89 .canada has now some very interesting equipments .
   As  I  said  to  you  , try  one day  a  valve amplifier ( single-ended preferably ) , something with 4 watts per channel and a compatible speaker .
 
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« Reply #11 on: Mar 8th, 2003, 5:41pm »		 Quote Quote  Modify Modify
Hey,
Hi Mozar, I took the stereo tube amp out of my 1951 Sparton TV and took it to the one of the local music stores where they sell professional equipment for bands and such. They repair guitar tube amps and were able to find the problem with my amp and fixed it. The fellow was surprised that it was actually a stereo amp. There was a short somewhere and it needed some replacement tubes. I have it hooked up now to my Klipsch. It's a single ended class A with about 2 W. Sounds really nice, especially piano. Was listening to Oscar Peterson Trio Last Call At The Blue Note last night and was impressed with the sound. The subs helped. Anyways I just started playing with it and will probably tweak it a little to see if I can get it to sound a little better. Thanks for recommending tubes.
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« Reply #12 on: Mar 8th, 2003, 6:09pm »		 Quote Quote  Modify Modify
    Hello  ,  DC
 
     Really  glad  to  know  you  are  now  in  the  single ended  valves world  where " less watts  means  more  music ".
     I  am  not  yet  with  valves  but  I  think  that with  chamber music ,  jazz  and  blues SET amplifiers are absolutely natural and warm - without been coloured .
     One  day  I saw  that : Big Widescreen TV  and a DVD playing an action film  with  a  tube Audiopax amplifier and their own speakers . You would not believe , it was magic . The  sound  was very, very "home-theater" , and without  sub-woofer .I can hear all the bangs and pows ,loud and with presence.
 
   DC , probably  you have read  it already  , but  I  think  it  is  one of the best  introdutory books  to  hi-fi :
 
      " The Complete Guide to High-End Audio"  
 
     by Robert  Harley  , Acapella Publishing ,New Mexico , Second Edition , 1998 .  
 
     DC  ,  what  are  your friends  saying  about  your  2 watts  per channel ?  More  minimalist  is  impossible .
 
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« Reply #13 on: Mar 8th, 2003, 6:28pm »		 Quote Quote  Modify Modify
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Thanks, I'll look for that book. I don't know if I'll tell my friends that I'm using an amp with only 2 W, they might think that I've finally completely lost my sanity. Take a look at the link for Tweakers Asylum and look in speakers. They're talking about 115 db with 1 W. There's also a picture of a horn woofer that you could park a car in. Where would you put that though. Would look pretty funny sticking out through the wall in your house Grin
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« Reply #14 on: Mar 8th, 2003, 6:46pm »		 Quote Quote  Modify Modify
  DC ,  speakers  are  always problematic , aren't they ?
   For  my taste  those ones  of  the italian company Sonus Faber are the best , they have  stone and walnut stands  with  leather finish  .
   But  with  below 5 watts SET  powers we have to go for sens. above 95 dB and maybe horns - not the prettiest thing to be at your room .
 
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